Moving Hands Music Magazine - Skinny Puppy, The Greater Wrong of the Right

Skinny Puppy "The Greater Wrong of the Right" Format: CD/Album Online date: 20/4 2004 Label: Synthetic Symphony/SPV Genre: electronic body music
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I can’t think of a record more anticipated than the comeback from Skinny Puppy and the question is, can they deliver an album worthy of carrying their insignia? My answer to that question is: Hell yes! This is Skinny Puppy for the 21st century, an updated version of their old sound. The only thing this album lacks in my opinion, compared to previous Skinny Puppy releases, is the otherwise omnipresent anxiety and despair. “The Greater Wrong of the Right” is straighter up and easier to access.
    The first track that got stuck on my mind was “Pro-Test” where they tackle hip-hop with a heavy and industrial track, complete with rap from Ogre. Loads of sounds in the background make this a stunning track. “I’mmortal”, the opening track, sounds a bit like “Pro-Test” but its overall feeling is a bit calmer, or more sane if you'd like.
    “EmpTe” has some driving snare drum parts that sound bombastic, a pretty simple track, still excellent. “Ghostman” is the track that most remind me of “The Process”, despite the fact that it has no guitars in it. “Past Present” is in a way techno, but since it is Skinny Puppy it isn’t. Still it is straightforward four on the floor beats combined with technoish synthesizer sounds and a female choir that appears from time to time. If it wasn’t for the voice of Ogre this could’ve been mistaken for something completely different. Wonderful track though.
    “Use Less” is a slower track with clean vocals from Ogre with a chorus where the music mostly consists of acoustic drums performed by Danny Carey from Tool and where Wayne Static from Static-X performs second vocals.
    Final track I’ll mention here is also the final track of the album, “DaddyuWarbash”. Opening with Donald Duck-like vocals that are replaced by the Ogre voice we are more used to when the drums begin picking up momentum and after a while I find that this track has an immense intensity.
    All in all I think this is a great album, a worthy successor of “The Process” and, last but not least, I really look forward to seeing them perform some of these songs on stage this summer.

Note: The album hits the stores on May 24.

/Fredrik Hörström

Check CDDB tracklists for this record: Skinny Puppy"The Greater Wrong of the Right"

Reader Opinions

Plastic
Name: Leviathan1765 (212.185.193.162)

I love 'Goneja' but the rest of this album is very weak. People will buy this for the sentimental value and some will probably even force themselves to like it. I find that amusing.

Everyones 2 cents
Name: Disdthefu (76.23.46.31)
Rating: 10

Unique work as always. Since there so many copy cats of them out there. Sometimes change is good. And since they are artists they can produce any picture they want regardless if fans want the typical hottopic look. My advise, get over it!

once electronic gods
Name: richard war aka the bombardier (24.131.229.30)
Rating: 6

tgwotr is pretty good it took a little bit but it grew on me. i know bands evolve and what not but i am still one of the disappointed ones. yes i wish they would have rehashed that oldschool sound. most of the newer crap thats coming out today bites ass.....unless were leaning more to the ebm side of things. but puppy definitley doesnt fit there. as for the guy richard that posted "Much better than previous work from Skinny Puppy, ive never been a fan of the "deliberately BAD" music ideal that the old skinny puppy was always aiming for. well richard you know nothing! nothing at all.......the old puppy was drug induced, harsh ass perfection.....ogre wheres ogre ?? his voice is weak the old ogre would have crushed us with vocal assauts on our eardrums. wtf! as another poster stated they should have called themselves something other than skinny puppy. i mean being a fan from the early days most of you can understand my point. cevin is a great musician but it doesnt have the sp bite it used too....i guess drg had more of an influence than i had realized. r.i.p. dwayne rudolph goettel r.i.p. skinny puppy!!

It's ok... a little euro techno sounding?
Name: John (63.89.130.19)

It's an ok albumn. I only listened to it a few times, so maybe I will grow into it a little more with some more listens. The vocals are not what they used to be, a lil flat, boring? Some of the beats sound like any old euro techno that i've heard... I not sold on it just yet. I know bands have to change a little eventually, but whose to say change is always good, sometimes it fails! But I don't hate it.

It's not Too Dark Park, but it's still Skinny Puppy
Name: Skinny Puppy "The Greater Wrong of the Right" (64.12.116.9)
Rating: 8

SP's catalog clearly requires not one album sounding like the other. You think Rabies sounded like something to follow up Vivisect IV??? Fuck no, SP have always made different sounding albums. But with maintaning their sound. "Ghostman" is classic SP. "Downsizer" is haunting, brooding, and flat out sinister. "Pro-test" is unique to say the least. Yes, it's disappointing that most of the horror/sci-fi smaples are gone. However, it's still a powerfull album. It sounds like something that WOULD have followed "The Process". If you want predictible rehashes of album after album. But AC/DC, Skinny Puppy clearly isn't for you. P.S. Saw SP live last year. Believe me, it's the same band. Without poor Dwayne that is.

Rating
Name: Richard (130.245.226.125)
Rating: 9

Forgot to add a rating

An Improvement
Name: Richard (130.245.226.125)

Much better than previous work from Skinny Puppy, ive never been a fan of the "deliberately BAD" music ideal that the old skinny puppy was always aiming for. Ohgr was and is a MUCH better group - This album doesnt sound like Ohgr but it has similar musical aims. Fantasic album Another thing thats funny about all these reviews is that no one anylaizes the message of the art. This is some of the best lyrical work I've heard on ANY industrial album since "Welt"

Looking for something (and found it)
Name: ktuluman (209.241.171.254)
Rating: 9

very diff from bites (my fav) but its great... (and all you whiners "make it pu to the puppy bitch)

A Fresh Start
Name: Mark Stephens (203.87.94.178)
Rating: 8

Skinny Puppy, like Front 242, Severed Heads et al., always had a strong hard-edged, brooding, dance component to their style I think largely determined by working with and not against the technology and instruments they were using. While Mind: The Perpetual Intercourse, is still in my mind, the quintessential industrial album with gems such as Gods Gift Maggot, Anatagonism, Stairs and Flowers, I really enjoyed their progression to Vivisect VI and started losing interest in them when they began collaboration with The Ministry. (Don't get me wrong - The Ministry stand well on their own, and I could see the sense in the collaboration from the point of view of both bands, it just never worked for me). With the ever increasing accessibility of technology flooding the music scene with a spate of predictably-sounding, uninventive and washed out work-from-home artists (read the whole Glitch, Click, Cuts movement). TGWOFR fills a void for me as far as original cutting-edge dance music is concerned. I expected not to like it, but this for me represents where i thought and hoped they were going with Vivisect VI and if you clear your mind and think of this as a new release from a new band (comparing this release to earlier works is like comparing New Order to Joy Division - you'll only hurt your brain trying) you will appreciate its refreshing brilliance. I deduct 2 points from giving it a 10 only because I think there is a deeper substance that could have been tapped into with respect to the whole 9/11, USA vs the Middle East over Oil and military interests. This kinda spoils what is great sounding music.

Very disappointing
Name: Stefan (217.209.1.98)
Rating: 4

What can I say? Being an old SP fan - this release make me cry blood! I have really tried to get into it and like it without any success. Nearly everything that was SP is gone (speech samples, distorted vocals, advanced drum programming, strange synths, haunting strings and complexity, layering etc). And the SP I know would never use any GM /XG sounds. Their music has become flat, ordinary and simple, but not necessary in an commercial way. In 8 years changes will of course happen, but this album is several steps backwards instead of developing something interesting and new forward. Some tracks seems completely dated - sounds like they were made more than 10 years ago. Rap, childish "vocals" and "dogbarks" don't make things better either. SP has always dealt with politics in theri music, although this anti-Bush everywhere is starting to be somewhat tiresome. But my main problem with TGWOTR is that it just doesn't sound SP anymore. Any of the prior albums from Mind: TPI to The Process have stood the test of time, and the late 80's and 90's releases are also lightyears better than the 04's SP. The incredible high review ratings here and elsewhere is beyond me. Yes, we WANT it to be good, and we're also used to the very high standard set by SP themselves, but sorry this new one is much too boring and uninspiring. (And strangely even has questionable overall audio quality (production /mixing etc) on some tracks.) However it's interesting to hear at least a few fragments of, and sounds from the old SP era in certain tracks. Ghostman and Dabawabbaua.. are the two only decent tracks worthy the SP's name.

Do you people live in a vacuum...?
Name: joescupp (63.229.142.85)
Rating: 9

I can respect that people may not like it because it is quite different compared to older LP's, but did no think they would change over the last ten years? Many of the trademark styles are still here, there's alot stuff that's different too. One would tend to expect such a change after such a long time of inactivety. Also, 25 years ago they were a much more isolated tight-nit group. Today they have moved on worked with many more artists, and explored more ideas, and sounds. The important thing is to listen to the LP, if you don't like then that sucks, but to cry foul about disgracing the good SP name, is just assinine. Also, I'll let you all in a little secret. Dwayne, while a very important and influentional member of the band, was not an original member of SP. That's not said to discredit him, or disrespect him, and I wish as much as everybody else that he was here today to be apart of SP, but SP did not live and die by his hand. All in all, I like the LP alot. I wasn't sure what to expect but I have very few expectations going in. With everything that has happened with Ogre, and cEvin, and related projects I don't think there was really anyway to know what was to come. That said, Brap On!

fucking hot
Name: Jasper (216.157.224.159)

ok, for one thing, this does NOT sound like ohgr. i have both ohgr albums and have listened to both of them countless times and this is clearly quite different, in both music and vocals. secondly this is a lot more complex than the sleek dance music that people are comparing it to. yes, the production is a lot cleaner than usual for an SP album, but just pay attention to the music. like really listen to it, it's not like anything else out there; it's amazing. and also, have you not noticed that nearly all skinny puppy albums sound different from each other? last rights and rabies hardly sound like the same band. this is another skinny puppy album with a new sound, just like all the other skinny puppy albums. and i am going to repeat again, these songs do not sound like anything else out there; if you think they do, you are not paying enough attention. i've listened to this album many times, and i'm still discovering new things about the songs that i didn't notice before.

Shut Your @%*#ing Mouths
Name: Dr. Grundle (65.32.197.179)
Rating: 10

This is a Great Album! Dont let any of these Nay sayers deter you from purchasing a good album because they think they are musically elite or cant take things at face value. They are right about one thing Dwayne died and with it a part of SP and its been many years since Cevin and Ogre worked together and made a album. Dont expect to hear things like Deep down trauma hounds or The Choke cause you will be dissapointed they have grown and belive and like diffrent things like all people and it is reflected in their music. nobody makes the same music forever because it would be stagnet and stale this is a fresh start and it may sound like Download meets Ohgr but thats basically what it is. do yourself a favor and pick it up.

Brapology
Name: Chris (24.174.187.16)
Rating: 10

Brap never sounded better. Evolve, don't rot you evil twinkie brains!

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet....
Name: jONAs (213.64.39.222)
Rating: 10

At the first listening I was very disappointed, but now when it's spinned at least 15 full circles....WOW, I have to say that it is amazing. It does'nt really sound like the old stuff (which would be pathetic and extremely boring) and it does'nt really sound like Ohgr. This is just a updated danceable industrial grooooovy album, but of course you can still hear that it is SP. My favourite tracks is "Ghostman" and "Past Present"........but that is today, it changes for every day and that's the cool thing, it has depth and interesting shades....for you who loves Wumpscut and Suicide Commando....listen to some real stuff!!! 10/10

SP STILL HAS IT
Name: LANDO (68.123.110.249)
Rating: 8

Just bought it and am digging it. People need to step out of the past and move on. This is SP, they did not sell out. If you listen to Keys solo work then you would know that this is where he was headed. I always thought SP's older stuff, especially Last Rights, was too overloaded with noise-and I like noise!, but I wanted more melody. Well this is so melodic. The beats hit hard and are very downloadesque. Ohgr is singing, which is cool. I've only skimmed through the album and it already feels like some of their best work. But hey, I don't JUST listen to industrial anymore- I like Metal, Electronic, Hip-Hop, Indie, All you fucking "rivotheads", stuck in the mid nineties, wishing Industrail music ruled the world, sorry, its dead. Good thing SP has moved on, theres a lot of good music out there, open your mind! P.S. listen to Godflesh, Techno Animal, Pelican, Dalek, Anticon, Def Jux, True harsh music

What did you expect??
Name: ultaviolent (82.83.140.155)
Rating: 10

A 3 disc Skinny Puppy we-cover-our-own-stuff-just-to-sound-old-release? The album is great, the only thing missing is some more samples... I am a Skinny Puppy fan since their f*i*r*s*t release [shit... I am old :-(] and I never thought I would listen to them after 25, now at the age of 30+ I still LOVE them... give me a break... DRG died and they also got older and lets hope we will not lose one SP Member because of drugs... they changed, we changed and so the music changed... ok 2 minus points from me... more samples and the recording sounds too clean [for SP] ... but my stereo system also evolved so it sounds better :-) You will like it... promised.... first I didnt like TDP [it frightened me!] but some weeks later I loved it... I don't think its sell-out [lets see if they release more than the 2 standart singles] its Skinny Puppy beyond 2000... If you don't like it... noone forces you to buy it ;-) but you will!! Greetings to all SP Fans out there... to hell with any bullshit!

A New Brand of Puppy
Name: Tony (68.61.16.14)
Rating: 8

Ok, so they've added some level of coherency and polish to their music. It's different, get over it. Ask a person to give you his or her life story, and the story's gonna change in 10 years. -So is the music he or she may create.- In the absence of the madman that made the music as mad as it was, I think they've done a great job assimilating their growth as musicians themselves. Personally, what I didn't like about ohGr's albums were the seemingly simplistic electronics on some of the tracks... Key, however, remedies that. Still powerful, with nice (although drastically different) production. Change can be a good thing, kids.

to phenobarbidoll
Name: Robert E (217.215.4.165)

Have seen them live 3 years ago and they can definetly pull off their back catalog live. Just listen to the live recordings from Dresden. It seems that everyone who don't like this album thinks that SP are opposed their old material.

Dissapointed is the only word
Name: Televiper (65.93.16.36)
Rating: 3

It is a boring and uninspiring album. The fact that they're Skinny Puppy only makes it exponentially more dissappointing. It's very typical Industrial.. Ogre's vocals and the high priced starile production methods are the only things making it unique. .. .... and there's no groove... maybe you can dance to it.. but you'll only be flailing your arms. .. and striking those pseudo cool industrial poses.

Mixed Feelings...
Name: phenobarbidoll (24.90.50.210)

Having followed SP from Day One, I must admit that I approached TGWOTR with a bit of caution. The death of RDG marked the death of this band of underrated aural assassins there was never to be another SP (Ogre and cevin's words, not mine). So what changed? Why now and why THIS? Sorry folks, but this is NOT a SP album. Had they called themselves anything but SP, I might have drank the kool-aid. Instead I'm baffled and reaching for my oft played copy of CFAM. Note to the newbies: add points in you hopped on the SP bandwagon after TDP or LR. Wonder if they can still pull off their back catalog live... hmmm...

glad rave is gone
Name: rave sucks (66.120.158.72)
Rating: 9

This LP is amazing. great production and all the people who have posted bad reviews about it are seriously still listening to wumpscut. This is far better than any ebm or idm currently happening. Great production. Much better than most fools give it credit for on this page,, 9/10

Almost perfect comeback
Name: SteveB (194.60.106.9)
Rating: 9

When i first heard a few sound samples on the SPV site i was a bit worried it would sound too much like another Oghr album. Even when I'mmortal started i thought NO! this isn't SP. It wasn't until Ghostman that things picked up with regards that real SP sound so i had mixed feelings initiallly. Then i played it all over again, LOUD, and each track rewards in a different way, the production is fantastic, I could never get bored as there is so much variety in there and by the last 'enough' of track 10 you are left wanting to hit repeat. SP have moved on but deep in there you can hear elements of all past work as well as obvious Ohgr influences and subtle bits of cevins Download in there also. I cannot stop playing this and think they've produced a tight BIG sounding album that ranks up there with their best. I just wish they were playing more than the 1 date in the UK.

«NOT AT ALL»
Name: Dany Mc Donald (65.94.178.124)
Rating: 3

Hmmm...Sounds like Ogre doesnt eat children anymore and where is Cevin Key??? On the inside of VIVI Sect VI sleeve is Writhen in red «PLAY THIS MUSIC LOUD OR NOT AT ALL» Guess it's time to choose "NOT AT ALL" PS. By the way SP was more then Ogre/Key.....D.Rudolph Goettel is sadly missed, Rave, David Ogilvie, Ken Hiwatt Marshall, Greg Reely...... Dany in Montreal.

I like it
Name: BrutalTruth (156.34.81.99)
Rating: 9

Over time oGhr and Cevin Key have both grown as artists. I think this album is a good example of both of their new works put together, dont tell me you cant hear Cevin Keys sampling and programmed beats in the music? Its easy to hear Cevins work in all of the songs, but if you cant hear it yourself, give the song Ghostman a listen. ohGr learned to sing... I like the new vocals, liked the on his albums, and liked him on the new SK. Its not as dark as the older SK albums. But, artists always grow out of the dark stuff, as other people here have said. *enqueues several SK albums to listen to* later

The process is theirs
Name: Ted (81.131.180.149)
Rating: 8

Come on people, this isn't the early nineties anymore. OK, so this album has lost a lot of the organised chaos of SP's "pinnacle" albums (TDP, Last Rights) - but listen to their very early stuff, then The Process and then this album. It's a completely natural progression, and I'm surprised how few people seem to have picked up on that. Guess a lot of you guys just resent melody and structure in music eh? I'm personally glad to have them back and on such good form, and can't wait for the live shows...

Pretty Sad Effort
Name: Pat (64.36.59.250)
Rating: 3

This CD is weak. "Skinny Puppy on brain candy". It's not that they have to sound 'disturbed' or 'pissed off' anymore, but the CD is overproduced and boring. It's almost synthpop. And I was very excited to hear that Danny Carey was playing on a track...that track sucks. Why didn't he let loose? SP are no longer edgy. I won't tell you to not get the CD, but their music no longer interesting, cutting-edge underground electronic. Let's hope their live show proves to be good....

poop shaped like a compact disc.
Name: 6toedCATcollection (68.23.209.146)
Rating: 1

Completely intolerable. Ogre is disgracing the reputation of such a (formally) great band. It is difficult to not cringe when his vocals begin on "DaddyuWarbash". I can only believe that this album was put out as a cash cow to play on people's nostalgia. While at a show for Ohgr's first solo album, an audience member yelled out to him, "sell-out". Ogre (Ohgr) replied, "Hey, you've gotta make a living." This echos in my mind and confirms the above assumption. As for Cevin Key, I believe he is a lot less pretentious and may be content with his own solo career, and is on The Greater Wrong of the Right to financially support his own label. This is all, of course, my spectulation... But the one thing that is apparent is that this album lacks the dark, intriguing and at times bizarre melodies that we were all originally hooked on. If you are in to cheesy, unimaginative, synth-pop dance beats, then please disregard my review and enjoy the album. But don't bother looking into Skinny Puppy's past albums for anything remotely similar.

I only heard two tracks and it sounds ok,I won't complain about the different sound,it's SP beyond 2k and without Dwayne
Name: Mike (213.51.9.150)

I hope the album delivers what the two songs I heard make me hope for. Everything evolves,even Skinny Puppy.

hmmm....
Name: Michael nil-x (216.69.223.166)
Rating: 4

Well, it doesn't suck, but it's not SP. There is no chaos in this album. It's lighthearted mood-wise and slick in production. Synth-wise there are some pretty impressive moments, but the drums and the vocals are very dissapointing to me. I can't give it a good rating though overall because well... overall I was pretty unimpressed.

Music won't save you from nothing but silence
Name: Nemesis (80.8.127.213)

Dwayne is dead, Ogre and cKey are older, and? No time to lost in complaining, this one sounds very good to me. Use your ears not your brain :)

If you're not ready for the revolution.....step aside
Name: David Lister (4.42.192.34)
Rating: 10

welcome to the future... VNV? Acid Christ? Even you you Wumpy? Are you ready for the second coming of you fathers? Sure the old desperate, anguished, often discordant SP seems to have died along with the dearly missed Goettel.... but this is the next step, the next developement for two amazing artists. Hearing this album and looking back on the Process seems to show to me that Ohgr and Download were most likely what Ogre and Key would have been doing with SP had it been alive at that time, and this is the next progression. I can understand if old fans miss the classic sound, but I'm all for artists progressing.... and I think it would have been rather disrespectful for them to try and immitate what Goettel contributed to the band. Do I like it? oh yeah... my favorite album since NIN's The Fragile.

hmmm...
Name: verycleanteeth (66.69.101.38)
Rating: 9

The new album is definately pretty top notch stuff, but I must agree that having Mark Walk produce this WAS a mistake. It sounds so clean that it really doesn't sound like Puppy, it sounds like OhGr with a sprinkling of the Process. I like OhGr, and I know 'progress is good for a band', but I don't see this as too progressive. Nonetheless, an excellent album. I just hope they get a little dirtier on their next release, and I certainly hope they BRING RAVE BACK!

Flawless
Name: Dan (24.229.37.156)
Rating: 10

This is the new age of Skinny Puppy, very awesome collaboration of Ogre and Key's solo sounds. A perfect and long awaited comback that will blow away old and new Puppy fans. Use less is a flawless brooding song, prolly the best Skinny Puppy I have heard since Too Dark Park. Face it their back and better than ever.

Ogre needs smack
Name: KRieger (68.125.197.174)
Rating: 5

Get old and dump the smack and see what happens? This is an older, mature puppy.. not junkie puppy.

WHERE IS DWAYNE - OH YEAH...HE DIED
Name: logan (64.114.31.11)
Rating: 2

why continue as skinny puppy when the genius of the band is dead? these guys are way past their expiry date. this album sounds just like ohgr. a money grab.

wtf
Name: wastemonkey (216.27.177.143)
Rating: 2

man. i feel cheated on this.. when will artists learn to let good things die rather than release an album and hope for sales based upon nostalgia.. utter trash.

Thank god for innovation
Name: Telebuggy (62.145.196.74)
Rating: 8

What is music, or any art-form for that matter, without innovation? How easy it is to do the same thing over and over again. I'm very glad that the Puppies go forward with every album and this one is no exception. Even if something is very good you ought to try something else next time. Thank god that there are people who know that there is more to industrial music than vampires and noise. You need a bit of intelligence too.

One of their best
Name: Certa (24.200.46.5)
Rating: 8

A lot more easy listening and dance than the old SP but the characteristics, the melodies and intelligent rhythms are still there.

still listening...
Name: melissa (68.75.179.108)

i'm not rating it yet, because i've heard bits and pieces and i don't think badly of it, so far. i will probably have to listen to it over a bit and let it sink in. i don't expect it to be classic puppy, so i'm going to see what growth/change has developed. so far, i think i've noticed the very ohgr-ness of it. but there are other elements that i've noticed are progressive puppy. so i will have to listen more...

ogres third album
Name: Skyler (194.71.21.125)
Rating: 3

Nope, there is basically nothing left of SP her. I could barely distinguish this from ogres 2 other albums, except that they're different songs... not one bit of the old anger and horror left. ogre's subdued and friendly, not dark. it' like I've always said, even the hardestcored bands end up doing ballads in their later years. If you really want a thrilling band, HOCICO is nothing less than inspired monstrous power! (who in their earlier years got some advice from çevin key!)

It's a "new" album, get over it...
Name: Dick (68.184.240.71)
Rating: 8

Jeezsh! I'm sick of all the crying. If we'd get a "VIVIsectVI" takeoff each album, everyone would be complaining about how all the albums sound the same. Yeah, the next sell-out pop album of the decade - SP on tour with Britney! Artist mature, change...get over it! :) This is a good album, not great but good and it's about as mainstream as licking the backs of toads for sport. I've been a puppy fan for 10+ years and can't put this one down. Buy this album, let's hope it isn't their last... I haven't seen them live since the "Too Dark Park" tour, so hopefully I can catch one of the two (Phily and Chicago) US shows.

great
Name: ida (129.240.242.2)
Rating: 8

Never listened a lot to SP before, thought they were a little boring, but this new album is great. But saying that I understand why old fans mught be disappointed.

perhaps better when not overthought
Name: kultural (141.149.98.174)

as a person who isn't a skinny puppy archivist or fanatic (I've listened to only some of their albums, and this new one, over the course of the last couple weeks). It could be more aggressive, but the album is satisfying and I don't have a problem with the production.

Pice of crap
Name: MaNi (213.89.134.1)
Rating: 2

This is a piece of crap, and yes it's a piece of crap because of the fact that this is Skinny puppy, or should I say what once was SKinny Puppy. There's nothing left of what made SP great, nothing. it's poorly produced, it's unimaginative, it's slick, sell-out pop music. I saw that PAF called it over-produced, but it's not, it's just streamlined, that's not producing that's selling out. Much of what made SP great was the great production and post-production. Dave "Rave" Ogilvie made it sound great, production wise, I'm baffled and dissapointed. I don't get it. What were they thinking? Does anyone know? Bladibla.

New album, new Skinny Puppy
Name: Stefan (217.209.1.98)

I've only heard "Immortal" from SPV.de, and it seems like classical and strong SP trademarks are gone (speech samples, noises, advanced drums programming, loops, distorted vocals, haunting strings, strange synths etc). And yes, it sounds plastic and much more like Ohgr's two albums. Dwayne was probably the darker /harsher elements contributor in the group. Compared to SP the side /solo projects never have been any good, you always get dissapointed and wanting more SP influenced music instead. Since 1986, when I bougt "Bites" I've been a hardcore SP fan, and I just must have this new album from the greatest band of all time, even if there are only fragments left of the old SP. But I guess in 8 years (since the "Process" album was released) something must have changed. Sadly we have to accept that the "VIVIsectVI", "Too Dark Park" and "Last Rites" albums were the peak of SP's creativity and complexity, and also the best albums ever recorded. Old SP fans like me will probably be somewhat dissapointed, but we have to give the new SP a chance. And despite Key's hard attitude to mp3s (he just sees cons regarding downloading music) I agree with Greg's comments that this is an album for buying, not just downloading because they deserve it. (You can preorder the album from CDON for 149 SEK.)

impressive and progressive
Name: van.bot (24.69.255.245)
Rating: 9

i love this album... its not like old SP adn its different then ohgr... you can totally tell where the cEvin kEy elements come in wiht the ambience and darker undertone that ohgr lacked to an extent... i think its a great adn somewhat not surprising listen... actually in my opinion this album combined very well what we saw in download and ohgr... plus the inclusion of new artists like wayne static was a nice move too.... its a sign of looking forward which is better in my opinion then featuring genesis or someone from the past. i feel that if they cashed in on big nostalgia names they would have regressed adn in some ways gone against what SP and what music in general is all about. PS: i love genesis and everything he's done... im just glad SP went to future talent.

SKinny Puppy - The Benny Goodman of Industrial
Name: Greg Picadash (199.222.14.17)

I have not heard anything yet from this release. However, I will say this - Skinny Puppy has been a around since the very early 80's. It is because of them that groups liek Nine Ich Nails, Ministry, and Ramstein even exist. In fact, if it was not for this group, we would have no such thing as industrtial music to even compare to. Skinny Puppy, whether they give us an incredible work of art or a meager work of songs intended to dissapoint us, it does not matter either way - they EARNED the right to give us whatever they want to. Skinyn Puppy is the dinosaur of the industrial stone age. They have always been and will always be the leaders of all that follow them in this genre of music. Even if the majority of the review tell me that this record blows, I will buy it. They deserve my money and above all, they deserve the respect of not being downloaded from the net. Whatever the case may be, bottom line is Skinny Puppy will forever be the greatest of all musical groups ever to exist in this particular class of music. INOVATIVE AND INCREDIBLE! I CAN'T WAIT TO BUY THIS CD!

disappointing!
Name: PAF (217.209.95.119)
Rating: 6

This is not a bad record but compared to the real Skinny Puppy material I have complaints: * this is nothing special * lacks emotion * not very good song material * over-produced * quite uninteresting This one is not Skinny in my ears. I will not buy this!

Niice!!
Name: Schism Trace (213.113.160.31)
Rating: 8

The worst thin about this album is the ridiculous vocal effect that starts the final track... Kinda moodkiller. But the song gets better after that intro, much better. In fact, the whole album is much better than I dared to hope for. Sure, there are much oHgr in this one, but there still is much puppy too. Ghostman is one song where the old fans should feel right at home with. EmpTe is another high point.

i messed up
Name: Johannes (80.222.61.8)
Rating: 7

oops.. I meant to give it 7/10

mediocre
Name: Johannes (80.222.61.8)
Rating: 2

Sounds a LOT like the Ohgr stuff, which is quite dissapointing since they made the decision to call it Skinny Puppy.. It certainly lacks many elements that made skinny puppy what it was "back in the day". The production, I think is the biggest problem I have with this release, way too clean. Just like Ogre's vocals actually. Still, after that awful AWFUL track that they did for the underworld soundtrack, I'm pleasantly surprised. Over all it's not a bad album but it's hardly innovative ground breaking stuff either. Old dogs and all that I suppose..

ondskan-Tobbe
Name: Tobbe (217.208.110.194)
Rating: 9

I'm halfway there.. This new release is something to grow into.. At first I was disappointed. Now I'm breathing puppy-skin. Excellent album! As said before.. I'm halfway there.. in a few weeks I´d give it 10/10!

not too harsh but not too bad either
Name: david meredith (68.236.34.149)
Rating: 9

I enjoy it. The more I listen to this disc the better it gets. The production is tight and it is evident that alot of time and attentionw as put into each track. I was expecting to hear Too Dark Park part 2 but those days are gone. I dig the new slicker Puppy sound and I am definately going to buy the new cd. You also have to remember that the cd was produced by Mark Walk which I think was a mistake, this definately contributed the Ohgr sound. They should have gotten Rave back or maybe someon who has never worked with Skinny Puppy. Over all I can't complain too much. It is solid and it is quality. I enjoyed this disc much better than the last big 242 come back, which was just a travesty. I guess I'm down with that new Puppy sound the kids are snappin their fingures to theese days. If it was just a bit more agressive it would be brilliant.

Nothing special
Name: Kristian (213.113.27.150)
Rating: 4

I have never like Skinny Puppy but heard some good comments about this new sounded album so I had to try it. What can I say, I didn't like it. It's nothing special at all, very plain and boring.

Sounds like Ohgr
Name: Eisbaer (216.189.161.234)
Rating: 6

TGWOTR sounds like Ohgr's two solo releases. Don't get me wrong, I love the Ohgr albums... but I was hoping the SP album would be different. Disappointingly un-mindblowing after 10 years of waiting.

wicked,
Name: Provision (64.180.71.76)
Rating: 9

alot of people i know are not into this release becouse its not the skinny puppy of 10 years ago, but people must figure out that bands change, i think this change is good, it keeps the music interesting, its a damn good album, and worthy of praise,.

Well....
Name: Ante (194.237.142.5)
Rating: 5

...this is pretty good. But compared to older releaser it is pretty much "plastic" if the expression is okey. But still, I had to bought it. :P

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